The New Manifesto


CPUkiller
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The new Manifesto

Another company got hacked again, it's all over the papers.
"Lulzsec attacked ...." "Anonymous hacked..."

You skiddies make me so sick!
Using #RefRef does not make you a hacker. You call yourself leet but you are just a bunch of ugly teenagers who got a laptop for their birthday from their rich daddies. You are bored because you have no friends or a real live and so you became a script kiddie to feel at least a bit special. You also harmed civilians and your explanation is "we do it because we can". I am sure you can also fling your poo, but get it that does not make you cool.

So your hacker community is so uber leet because you hacked and defaced other communities? Because your community has its own torrent for porn and in your IRC channel the chats are a celebration for sexism, racism, porn, bulling and threats. Your really think that makes you awesome? Belive me it does not. All it does is show that you have no style.

You pollute the internet with just more trash. Is it not sad enough that our web gets abused and sullied by frauds, pedos and nazis? But you waist your skills if you have any, for childish shit. And instead of fighting this scum you become part of it?

Once people like us were the elite who build up the internet. They did it with the intention to create a network of knowledge in a free and independent space.

It is time to conquer the net back. But not with DDoS or hate. But with giving the skilled ones a shelter. A place where they can feel welcomed independent of race, sex, religion, wealth or nationality. A place where we can learn from each other, where they are respected, where are people who care about them and support and motivate them. And creating a honorable community which allies with other ethical communities in a strong bond of respect and friendship.

It is time for a change, lets start with it now.

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j4m32
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Registered: 25.08.11 02:05
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Mostly in agreement there, should do something more constructive with their time - or at least be more ethical.

Jim,


ynori7
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Indeed, for the most part all it does is fuel the negative opinions people have towards hackers and the fear that the older generation has towards the internet.

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COM
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Largely in disagreement here, nor do I reckon that, as j4m32 said, that they should be more ethical. But we all know that ethics is not such a simple concept and that this is not the place for a discussion about it.

While doing something "because you can" is not a worldshatteringly brilliant argument, it is not a bad one either. It is one of two halves "because we can" and "because we felt like it". If either is missing, you don't do something and it would be a lie to dismiss that most things we do that aren't done out of importance (work, for instance) are not done because of that very same reasoning.
Whether I agree with targets, methods or anything else of such is irrelevant; in society where strict rules and laws are enforced and can often override what common sense would deem fair, where when authority asks why you did something and stare with slack-jawed bewilderment if faced with honest, human nature, it is good to be reminded that sometimes people do things because they feel like it. For shits and giggles, for the lulz, call it whatever you want.
And as for people such as frauds, pedos and nazis "sullying" the internet? Yes, it was meant for information exchange. Thankfully it grew into more than that; it grew to a place that still holds a freedom that the physical world does not allow, a place of potential equality where skill is all the difference there is. While frauds do target anyone on the net and mean to cause harm and as such aren't in any way any type of community, the rest are and they should not be removed simply because some people happen to not agree with them.

All in all, I largely disagree with this and find it lacking both in compassion and understanding compared to what it wishes to convey. However, certain points I can agree with, such as the fact that frauds and these events being plastered all over the media does hurt the internet in the public eye. This is a shame for newcomers, but I believe it to be irrelevant for regulations. Governments will get to the latter anyhow, they are just slow and have at no point shown a tendency to try to fully understand a concept as foreign as this. But that's a whole other debate and I would like to leave it as that.

We do not need to condemn others for the way they do things to build a good, welcoming community of our own.


CPUkiller
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But we all know that ethics is not such a simple concept and that this is not the place for a discussion about it.

why not? feel free to do so.

I can not agree with your opinion either.

You think deeds can be justified by the argument 'I did it because i can'. I could give you a billion examples that proof you wrong.

it grew to a place that still holds a freedom that the physical world does not allow, a place of potential equality where skill is all the difference there is.


The freedom of an individual must end in the moment another one gets harmed.

While frauds do target anyone on the net and mean to cause harm and as such aren't in any way any type of community, the rest are and they should not be removed simply because some people happen to not agree with them.

So you think it is okay that people rape children and then spread videos of it over the internet. That they group up to yell hatreds against minorities and support violence against innocents? This is not a question of disagreeing with them. It is more about 'I know there is injustice, will i decide to do the right thing or do i ignore it because it is so much more convinient to act blind and deaf'

But it is up to anyone's own to have its own opinion and I respect that even if i don't agree with it.
So thank you that you shared yours with us.

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COM
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I would love to see the billion proofs of which you speak; I would challenge you to present even a single one. But don't, because when you think I say "[moral] justification", you should be thinking "explanation". Is it justifiable of earth to have earthquakes that kill millions of people and wound more? No. Is the fact that there simply are tectonic plates that move, collide and thus earthquakes occur an acceptable explanation? Yes.
CPUkiller, we could debate this all day, but the fact that you actually question the subjectivity and complexity of the concept of ethics and morals tells me that we hold no common ground to stand on. No proper debate can be had here. You fail to even understand those people you judge. You cry rape and murder against groups of people without understanding either, nor the concept of what individual human freedom is.
You say that it is easier to "act blind and deaf", I say it is easier to just default to the set of ethical codes that the public majority has agreed upon, yet fail to understand or uphold. To me, what you are and most moral activists are saying, is no different from what those you despise say. You are just different shades of the same colour.

But it is up to anyone's own to have its own opinion and I respect that even if i don't agree with it.

No, no you do not. You merely believe that you do and have in your posts shown the exact opposite and tacking on that you appreciate that I share my opinion doesn't make me believe it the least bit when your reaction was to squarely throw it in my face that I am dead wrong and you could totally prove it.
This is the end of this little debate on my part, absolutely nothing can be had here. I hope that we can at least agree on that.


CPUkiller
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Thank you COM that you shared your opinion with us again.

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